VOL. IV - CHAPTER 6
George Veness and Mary Weller/Emily Cornford
George Venus son of Joseph Venus and his wife Fanny was baptised at Herstmonceux Parish Church on 26 March 1815 (Chapter 4).
At the time of the 1841 census George was still living with his parents at Mill Farm Cottages, Wartling and like his father was employed as an agricultural labourer.
On 30 July 1844, George a labourer of full age, married Mary Weller, of full age, the daughter of James Weller, labourer, at St Nicholas Church, Brighton. At the time of the marriage both parties were shown as residing at 55 King Street, Brighton, although the address given at the time of marriage was not always the parties usual place of abode, but may have just been a temporary place of convenience. George was only able to make his mark whereas his wife signed the marriage register. The witnesses were Edward Mills and Caroline Shelley.
George and Mary later moved to Wartling and the following children of the marriage were baptised there:
- Sarah Veness baptised 10 December 1848.
- Frances Veness baptised 10 December 1848.
- Elizabeth Veness baptised 7 April 1850.
The 1851 census shows George and Mary living at Montague House, Wartling with their daughters, Mary Ann Veness aged 11, Sarah aged 5, Frances aged 3, all born in Brighton, and Emily Veness aged 10 days, born Wartling. Mary Ann was clearly born out of wedlock and may not have been George's daughter.
Although Elizabeth (aged 1) is not shown on the census return she had clearly not died as she reappears in the 1861 census. By that time George had been widowed. His wife Mary had died aged 32 and was buried at Wartling Parish Church on 29 August 1851. At the time of the 1861 census the family were living at Gardners Street. The entry reads
- George Veness, head, widower, aged 46, farm labourer, born Herstmonceux
- Sarah Veness, daughter, aged 15, house servant, born Brighton
- Elizabeth Veness, daughter, aged 10, scholar, born Wartling
- Emily Cornford, servant, aged 21, housekeeper, born Hellingly
- Emily J Cornford, daughter of servant, aged 9 months, born Herstmonceux
It is not clear what had happened to Mary Ann Veness who would have been 21 years old or Emily who would have been about 10 years old.
Later that same year, on 23 June 1861, George married his 21 year old housekeeper, Emily Cornford, the daughter of Samuel Cornford, labourer, at Herstmonceux Parish Church. George describes himself as a 44 year old widower of Gardener Street, son of Joseph Veness, labourer. He clearly understated his age at the time of his second marriage, probably an innocent mistake as such a small alteration did nothing to disguise the large age difference. It appears that George had learnt to write in the intervening years for on this occasion he was able to sign the register, although Emily was only able to make her mark. The witnesses were Henry and Fanny Burchett both of whom made their mark. I assume that these were relatives of grandmother Sarah, although the connection is not established.
George and Emily appear to have had nine more children,
- George James Veness. Born 25 May 1862. Baptised on 15 February 1863 at St. John The Evangelist, Bodel Street Green.
- William Sidney Veness, baptised 27 February 1865 at Herstmonceux Parish Church.
- Thomas Herbert Veness, Born 1866 (Reg Gen March Qtr 1866 Hailsham 2b 71). Baptised 5 April 1868 at Herstmonceux.
- Fanny Caroline Veness Baptised 5 April 1868 in Herstmonceux.
- Mary Kate Veness Baptised 4 December 1870 in Herstmonceux
- Alice Annie Veness Baptised 24 January 1873 in Herstmonceux.
- Alfred John Veness Born 9 May 1875. Baptised 27 June 1875 in Herstmonceux
- Henry Charles Veness. Born 30 October 1876. Baptised 3 December 1876 in Herstmonceux
- Edith Maud Veness Baptised 13 October 1878 in Herstmonceux
Emily Jane Cornford was baptised on 15 February 1863 at Bodle Street, Sussex, when she would have been around 3 years old. This was the same day as George and Emily's eldest son was baptised. It is not clear if she was George's daughter, he is not named as father at the time she was baptised.
So assuming Mary Ann and Emily were George's children he had 15 in all, fathering the last when he was 63 or 64.
George was in attendance at Comphurst, Wartling when he witnessed the death of his mother, Fanny on 24 February 1870. Although George appears to have signed the register at the time of his second marriage, when he registered the death of his mother he had reverted to making his mark.
In 1871, the family were living at Golden Cross, Hestmonceux. The entry shows
- George Veness, head, aged 56, agricultural labourer, born Herstmonceux
- Emily Veness, wife, aged 31, born Herstmonceux
- Jane E Veness, daughter, aged 11, born Herstmonceux
- George J Veness, son, aged 8, born Herstmonceux
- William S Veness, son, aged 6, born Herstmonceux
- Thomas H Veness, son, aged 5, born Herstmonceux
- Fanny C Veness, daughter, aged 3, born Herstmonceux
- Mary K Veness, daughter, aged 6 months, born Herstmonceux.
I take Jane E to be Emily J Cornford of the earlier census and she was probably known by her middle name to avoid confusion with her mother.
By 1881 the family were living at Chapel Row and consisted of
- George Veness, head, aged 66, agricultural labourer, born Herstmonceux
- Emily Veness, wife, aged 41, born Herstmonceux
- George Veness, son, aged 18, agricultural labourer, born Herstmonceux
- William Veness, son, aged 16, agricultural labourer, born Herstmonceux
- Thomas Veness, son , aged 16, agricultural labourer, born Herstmonceux
- Caroline Veness, daughter, aged 13, scholar, born Herstmonceux
- Mary Veness, daughter, aged 10, scholar, born Herstmonceux
- Alice Veness, daughter, aged 8, scholar, born Herstmonceux
- Alfred Veness, son, aged 5, scholar, born Herstmonceux
- Charles Veness, son, aged 4, born Herstmonceux
- Edith Veness, daughter, aged 2 , born Herstmonceux.
By the time the 1891 census was taken George, aged 76, still an agricultural labourer and his wife Emily, aged 57 were living at Chapel Row next door to his sister Mary's daughter, Emily Edmonds (chapter 6). The only children remaining at home were Mary aged 20 a domestic servant, Alfred aged 15 an agricultural labourer, Charles aged 14 an agricultural labourer and Eda aged 12, a scholar.
Emily Veness died in 1893 (Reg Gen March 1893 Hailsham 2b 68)
George Veness of Warbleton died aged 83 and was buried at Herstmonceux Parish Church on 2 January 1898.
I have detailed below what is known of each of their children. Again because of the predominance of the surname in the area there are occasions where I have said nothing further is known, simply because I cannot be sure a later record relates to 'our' relative:
Mary Ann, Sarah, Frances, Elizabeth and Emily Veness
Nothing more is known about any of George's daughters from his first marriage to Mary Weller.
Mary Ann, Sarah, Frances and Emily are all listed in 1851. Only Elizabeth is missing.
Sarah and Elizabeth are living at home in 1861, Sarah, aged 15 is already described as a "house servant" but their sisters are not listed.
Frances may have died in 1851 (Reg Gen Dec Qtr 1851 Hailsham 7 299) .
Emily Jane Chapman nee Cornford
Emily Cornford was born on 23 June 1860. She was the daughter of Emily Cornford, and I had assumed her father was George Veness, as she was his housekeeper at the time, but he is not named as father on the record of her baptism on 15 February 1863, the same date as George and Emily's eldest son George James, even though they had married by that time.
In 1871 she was living at Golden Cross, she is listed as "Jane E Veness" and is shown as George and Emily's daughter.
Emily Jane Cornford married William Chapman in 1881.
In 1891, they were living at 8 Silverdale Place, St Mary in the Castle, Hastings where William is a gardener. In 1901 they were at Adelaide Cottage, Adelaide Road, St Matthew, where William was a gardener. They had nine children:
- Florence Annie Chapman. Born 19 April 1881 at Hastings
- William Percy Chapman. Born 11 December 1882 at Hastings
- Arthur George Chapman. Born 11 January 1885 at Hastings.
- Ernest Harry Chapman. Born 6 May 1888 at Hastings
- Jesse Chapman. Born 2 November 1890 at Hastings
- Beatrice Ada Chapman. Born 16 September 1896 at Hastings
- Reginald Horace Chapman. Born 15 June 1898 at Hastings
- Norman James Chapman. Born 2 April 1901 at Hastings
- Frederick Charles Chapman. Born 7 July 1902 at Hastings
In 1911 they were living at 12, Hollington, Old Lane, Hastings. The census confirms that they had nine children, all alive of which four remained at home.
William Chapman died in 1931, aged 77 years old in Hastings.
Emily J Chapman died on 7 July 1933 aged 73 years old.
- Florence Annie Wait nee Chapman
In 1911, Florence Chapman, a 29 year old domestic housemaid was living alone 15, Duke Road, Silvers Hill, St Leonards on Sea.
Florence Annie Chapman married Thomas William Henry Wait on 7 February 1912 at Hastings.
They had one daughter
- Joyce Beatrice Waite. Born 8 February 1920 in Hastings. Joyce married Norman A Broomfield in 1946. She died on 5 December 1993.
Thomas William Henry Wait of 14, Eversley Crescent, St Leonards-on-Sea died on 9 September 1925 at the Buchanan Hospital, aged 44 years old. Administration was granted to his widow, Florence.
In 1939 Florence A Wait, widow, was living at 14, Eversley Crescent, Hastings.
Florence Annie Wait died on 9 May 1972 at Hastings, aged 91 years old.
- William Percy Chapman and Beatrice Mary Franks
William Percy Chapman married Beatrice Mary Franks in 1906.
In 1911 they were living at 53 Stream Cottages, Hollington Old Lane, St Leonards On Sea where William was a greengrocer and fruiter.
They had three children:
- Marjorie Doreen H Chapman. Born 17 November 1906 at St Leonards. Marjorie died in 1972.
- Leonard William Chapman. Born 11 April 1915 in Fulham. Baptised 25 May 1915. Leonard married Winifred Hawkins. Leonard died in 1991 in Kingston Upon Thames. Winifred died on 7 June 2012.
- Violet Hilda Chapman. Born 6 April 1917. Violet married and became Mrs Pinnoch.
William Percy Chapman died on 6 November 1936 in Hastings.
In 1939 Beatrice was living with her children Leonard and Violet at 591, Kings Road, Fulham. Beatrice was a "dealer", Leonard was a "solicitors managing clerk" and Violet was a "despatch assistant".
Beatrice Mary Chapman of 591, Kings Road, Fulham, widow, died on 25 May 1961 at 114 Kilravock Street, Paddington. Administration was granted to Leonard William Chapman, solicitors managing clerk.
- Arthur George Chapman and Edith Isabel Caws
In 1911 Arthur George Chapman is listed on board a Royal Naval Vessel. He was a 24 year old able seaman.
Arthur married Edith Isabel Caws on 16 March 1912 in St Mildreds, Whippingham, Isle of Wight.
They had four children:
- Arthur Edwin Chapman. Born 24 August 1912 in Wyke Regis, Dorset. Arthur married Winifred Rosamond Bishop in 1939 in the Isle of Wight. He died on 27 December 1984 in Newport, Isle of Wight.
- Leslie George Chapman. Born 14 August 1915 in Hastings. Leslie died on 26 February 1929 in Hastings.
- Ernest William Chapman. Born 5 March 1920 in Cowes, Isle of Wight. Ernest married Lillian Joan Webb in 1947. Lillian died on 22 January 1971 in Auckland. Ernest died on 3 April 1975 in North Shore, Wellington, New Zealand.
- Patricia Edith Chapman. Born 5 March 1923 in Newport, Isle of Wight. Patricia married Norman Bray in 1944. Norman Bray died on 1 May 1998 in Ventnor. Patricia died on 13 July 2002 in Isle of Wight.
Arthur George Chapman died in 1932.
In 1939 Edith was living at "Lae", Cockleton Lane, Mentone, Cowes, Isle of Wight. Sons Arthur, "a progress clerk - aircraft", Ernest, "apprentice marine fitter" and Patricia "clerical work - aircraft" remained at home.
Edith Elizabeth Chapman died in 1964 in Isle of Wight.
- Ernest Harry Chapman
It seems likely that Ernest died in Winchester in 1914 aged 26 years old.
- Jesse Chapman and Rhoda Helena Mepham
Jesse married Rhoda Helena Mepham in 1918 in Battle.
In 1939 they were living at 12, Beaufort Road, Hastings. where Jesse was a storekeeper - grocery Tabacco and Socits.
Jesse Chapman died in 1974 in Hastings.
Rhoda Helena Chapman of 59, North Road, Sidley, Bexhill died on 15 March 1976 in Hastings.
- Beatrice Ada Cooper nee Chapman
In 1911 Beatrice was a domestic servant living with and working for Charles and Amy Bishop, grocer at 63, Sedlescombe Road, St Leonards.
Beatrice Ada Chapman married John Frederick Cooper in 1919 in Battle.
They had three children.
Beatrice died on 14 November 1932.
In 1939 John Cooper was living at 18, Sidley Street, Bexhill where he was a builders scaffolder.
John Frederick Cooper died on 16 May 1984 in Bexhill on Sea.
- Reginald Horace Chapman
Reginald Horace Chapman may have died in 1972 in Hastings.
- Norman James Chapman and Ada Emma Mepham
Norman married Ada Emma Mepham in 1928 in Battle.
They had three children.
In 1939 they were living at 24 East View Terrace, Battle where Norman was a builders labourer.
Norman James Chapman died on 1 May 1980, aged 79 years old.
Ada Emma Chapman died on 18 February 1989, aged 86 years old.
- Frederick Charles Chapman and Hetty Beaney
Frederick Charles Chapman married E T (Hetty) Beaney.
In 1939 they were living at 18 Beachamps Road, Hastings where Frederick was a bricklayer (foreman).
Frederick died in 1988.
George James Veness and Annie Boots
George James Veness was baptised on 15 February 1863 at St John The Evangelist, Bodel Street Green, the son of George Veness and Emily Cornford
He married Annie Boots on 17 March 1888 at Herstmonceux Church. Annie Boots was the daughter of Thomas Boots, agricultural labourer and Sophia Collins. Sophia had married previously, her married name was Jarman.
In 1891, 28 year old George , a general labourer and his wife Annie, aged 32 are living at Gardener Street. Also with them are Annie's mother Sophia Boots, a 67 year old widow and 1 year old Bruce Money "nurse child" described as the "son of fly proprietor". A 'nurse child' could mean a number of things, from informally adopted or fostered, to temporarily 'farmed out' to close kin, or family friends or near neighbours or private individuals who offered a service at a price.
George and Annie do not appear to have had any children and in 1901 they are still living at Gardner Street. 38 year old George is now employed as a bricklayer. Living with them is
- Alice A Veness, aged 22, domestic cook, George's sister
- Annie E Veness, aged 8, described as George's niece. Annie was the daughter of George's brother Thomas Herbert Veness (see below).
- Emma Bates, sister in law, a 46 year old laundress, presumably Annie's sister, born Ewhurst,
- Kate A Bates, aged 24, niece, laundress, born Ashhurst, Kent.
In 1911 George is living at Oak Cottage, Herstmonceux, aged 48 he is still a bricklayer. His wife is not listed although he is shown as married. His sister in law Emma Bates, a 55 year old widow, a laundress is still living with him, as is her son 12 year old Frederick G Bates. George's niece Annie Emily Veness, now aged 18 is also still living with him.
His wife Annie was staying with her brother in law Philemon Lade, a 51 year old plumber and his wife Fanny Louisa Lade at 29 Rylestone Road, Eastbourne.
Annie Veness died on 1 September 1920. She was buried at All Saints Church, Herstmonceux.
George appears to have married his brother Thomas's widow, Philadelphia Fanny Veness in 1922 (see below). Philadelpha died on 8 September 1929 and was buried in the same plot as George's first wife.
In 1939 George J Veness was living at Hollywood Cottages, Herstmonceux. he was described as "an old pensioner, a retired bricklayer". He was living with his niece Annie E Newnham and her family (see below).
George James Veness died on 30 December 1944 aged 82 years and was buried with his wives.
The inscription reads
"In Loving Memory of Anne Veness the dearly beloved wife of George James Veness of this Parish who entered into rest Sept 1st 1920. Aged 62 years. Deep in our hearts your memory clings and still our grief is sore. As time rolls on it nearer brings the day we will meet once more. Also Philadelphia Fanny second wife of the above. Died Sept 8th 1929, Aged 60 years. Also George James. Died Dec 30th 1944. Aged 82 Years"
William Sidney Veness and Martha Zilpha Farnfield
William Sidney Veness was baptised 27 February 1865 at Herstmonceux Parish Church, the son of George Veness and Emily Cornford.
He married Martha Zilpha Farnfield on 27 September 1890 at Herstmonceux (Reg Gen Sept Qtr 1890 Hailsham 2b 167). Martha Zilpah Farnfield was the daughter of Daniel Farnfield, a fisherman and Eliza.
At the time of the 1891 census 26 year old William was living at Stunts Green with 21 year old Martha, and their 1 year old daughter Christiana. Both Martha and Christina had been born in Bexhill. William was employed as an agricultural labourer.
Christiana Veness Farnfield had been born in 1889 (Reg Gen Dec 1889 Battle 2b 52)
In 1901 the family were living at Victoria Road, Herstmonceux, several more children had been born:
- Alice Edith Veness. Born 29 July 1891. Baptised 8 November 1891 in Herstmonceux.
- Rose May Veness. Born 1893 in Herstmonceux
- William Sidney Veness. Born 1897 in Warbleton.
In 1911 William and Martha were living in Bodle Street and 46 year old William was a farm labourer. A further daughter Emily Eliza Veness had been born in 1904. The remaining children were at first listed and their names then crossed out, presumably because they no longer lived at home.
Martha Z Veness died in 1925 aged 54 years old (Reg Gen Dec 1925 Battle 2b 70)
William Sidney Veness died in 1938 aged 73 years old (Reg Gen June 1938 Eastbourne 2b 126)
- Christiana Butler nee Veness
In 1911, aged 21, William and Martha's daughter Christiana Veness was a domestic servant living with and working for Alfred John Hugh Fletcher, a 44 year old dental surgeon and his family at "Hazledene, Horeham Road, Waldron".
Christiana married Alfred Butler on 16 September 1911 at Hellingly. Christiana was 21 years old and shows her address as Waldrow. Alfred Butler was 29 years old, a carter living in Hellingly. His father was Edward Butler, gardener. The witnesses were William Sidney Veness and Alice Edith Veness, presumably Christiana's siblings.
In 1914 Alfred enlisted. He was 34 years old from Cinders Gill, Horsham Road, Hailsham. His wife was listed as his next of kin.
They had three children:
- Sydney Alfred Beresford Butler. Born 7 August 1912. Sydney married Barbara Violet R Davies in 1937 in Eastbourne. In 1939 they were living at 27, Sayerland Road, Hailsham where Sydney was a cowman. Barbara died in 1985 in Eastbourne. Sydney died on 2 February 1999 at Eastbourne.
- Eric Donald Edward Butler. Born 30 June 1915. Eric married Vera Mallam in 1935. In 1939 they were living at 5, Gordon Road, Hailsham where Eric was a tile moulder. They had two children. Vera Butler of 6 Farmlands Way, Wannock, Polegate, died on 31 January 1982. Eric died on 4 October 2007 at Polegate.
- John William Butler. Born 14 May 1922. John married Kathleen Mary Grooms in 1941. Kathleen Mary Butler died in 1982. John William Butler of 252 Seaside, Eastbourne died on 26 January 1985.
In 1939 Alfred and Christiana were living at 2, Nightingale Villas, Hailsham where Alfred was a E.S.C.C road worker. Their son John was still of school age.
Alfred Butler died on 12 December 1943.
Christiana Butler died in 1980.
- Alice Edith Jenner nee Veness
In 1911, aged 19, William and Martha's daughter Alice Edith Veness was a sevant working and living with Jane Rigg, a 61 year old widow who was living on "private means" at 23 Dorset Road, Bexhill.
Alice married Ernest William Jenner in 1923 (Reg Gen December 1923 Battle 2b III).
In 1939 Ernest W Jenner and Alice E Jenner were living at 3 Coastguards Cottages, Bexhill where Ernest was a horse driver on a farm.
Alice Edith Jenner died in 1975 (Reg Gen June 1975 Battle 18 0052). Ernest William Jenner died in 1980 (Reg Gen December 1980 Wigan 39 2471).
- Rose May Wilkins formerly Relf nee Veness
In 1911 William and Martha's daughter Rose May Veness was visiting Richard Billings, a 77 year old bricklayer and his daughter Isabella Francis Billings, aged 37 at South Lane, Dallington. Rose, aged 18 was a domestic servant.
Rose married Percy George Relf in 1919 in Battle.
Percy died on 21 September 1936
In 1939 Rose was living at 6, Garfield Road, Hailsham, she was a widow, her occupation was described as "domestic help". Also at the address was Arthur Reeves (born 13 June 1893), a nursery gardener.
Rose remarried in 1940 in Hailsham, her second husband was Harry Wilkins. Harry had previously been married to Bessie Vine who died in 1935.
Rose May Wilkins of 6, Garfield Road, Hailsham (wife of Harry Wilkins) died 3 February 1962 at Princess Alice Hospital, Eastbourne. Administration was granted to Harry Wilkins, printers compositor.
Harry Wilkins died in 1967.
- William Sidney Veness
In 1911 William Sidney Veness, aged 14, was a farm labourer working for and living with George William Barnes, blacksmith and farmer and his family at Bodle Street Green.
Private William Sidney Veness of the 8th Battalion London Regiment is believed to have died on 3 May 1917. Some records show he was killed in action and buried at Arras, Departement du Pas-de-Calais, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France. The register of soldiers effects show he was missing presumed dead.
- Emily Eliza Veness
In 1911 Emily was 6 years old and living with her parents, William and Martha at Bodle Street. Nothing more is known about her.
Thomas Herbert Veness and Philidelphia "Fanny" White
Thomas Herbert Veness was born in 1866, but was not baptised until 5 April 1868 in Herstmonceux. He was the son of George Veness and Emily Cornford.
He married Philadelphia Fanny White in 1888 (Reg Gen Dec Qtr 1888 Hailsham 2b 214). Philadelphia was the daughter of Gaius White, agricultural labourer from Heathfield
In 1891 Thomas Herbert Veness , aged 25, a bricklayers labourer and his 22 year old wife Philadelphia F are living a Crossways, Herstmonceux. They have had 2 children
- Thomas Herbert Veness. Born 1889 (Reg Gen March Qtr 1889 Hailsham 2b 105). Baptised 7 April 1889 at Herstmonceux.
- George Gaius Veness. Born 1890 (Reg Gen June Qtr 1890 Hailsham 2b 87). Baptised 4 May 1890 at Herstmonceux.
Also at the same address are boarders James Catt, aged 26, bricklayer and Caroline Fanny Catt, aged 23, Thomas's sister and brother-in-law (see below).
Thomas and Philadelphia had five more children:
- Fanny Jane Veness. Born 16 September 1891. Baptised 8 November 1891 in Herstmonceux
- Annie Emily Veness. Born 12 January 1893. Baptised 16 April 1893 at Herstmonceux.
- Robert Charles Veness. Born 1894 in Herstmonceux
- Beatrice Mary Veness. Born 2 October 1895 in Herstmonceux.
- Ivy M Veness. Born 1897 in Herstmonceux
In 1893 when Annie Emily Veness was born, the family were living at Coopers Cross, Herstmonceux and her father Thomas was a bricklayers labourer.
Thomas Herbert Veness senior died in 1896 aged 30 (Reg Gen Dec Qtr 1896 Hailsham 2b 65). His last child Ivy appears to have been born after her father died.
In 1901 his 31 year old widow "Fanny" was living at Herstmonceux and taking in washing. All the children were still at home except for
- 12 year Thomas Herbert Veness who was a patient at H M Hospital, Ratcliff, London. The entry notes that he is "deaf and dumb".
- 8 year old Annie Emily Veness who was staying with her uncle George at Gardener Street (see above).
Thomas Herbert Veness junior died in 1908 aged 19 (Reg Gen June 1908 Hailsham 2b 63).
In 1911 "Fanny" was living at Gardener Street, Herstmonceux. 21 year old son George and 16 year old Robert were both bricklayers labourers. Daughter Beatrice, aged 15 is also still living at home. Daughter Ivy, aged 13 was a patient at Union Road, Hailsham.
It appears that "Fanny" married her late husband's brother George James Veness in 1922 (see above).
Philadelpha Fanny Veness died on 8 September 1929 and was buried at All Saints, Herstmonceux (see above).
- George Gaius Veness
Thomas and Fanny's son George Gaius Veness was killed on 22 May 1916. He died of wounds received whist serving as a private in the Royal Sussex Regiment. He was buried at Chebourg-l'Avoue, Departement du Pas-de-Calais, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France.
- Fanny Jane Tubb nee Veness
In 1911 Thomas and Fanny's daughter Fanny Jane Veness was a 19 year old domestic servant, living with Sidney Walter Winter, theatre proprietor and his family at Purbrook Lodge, 31 Hurst Road, Winterbourne.
Fanny Jane Veness married William Henry Tubb in 1915 in Staines.
They had one son Herbert William Tubb who was born on 26 March 1916 and baptised on 23 April 1916 at Harlington Parish Church, Middlesex. Father William of 116 Connington Road, Shepherds Bush is described as a "pressman".
Lance Sergeant William Henry Tubb of the Royal Irish Rifles, resident of Herstmonceux, Sussex died of his wounds on 4 August 1917 in France.
In 1939, Fanny Jane Tubb was living with her son Herbert at 64, Dawley Road, Hayes & Harlington. Herbert was a shop clerk in the light engineering trade.
Fanny Jane Tubb died in 1973 in Hillingdon.
Herbert William Tubb died in 1995 in Weymouth, Dorset.
- Annie Emily Newnham nee Veness
Thomas and Fanny's daughter Annie Emily Veness married Ernest Albert Newnham in 1922 (Reg Gen December 1922 Hailsham 2b 259). Ernest Albert Newnham was the son of Peter Benjamin Newnham and Elizabeth Ann Simmons who married on 10 June 1883 at Herstmonceux.
In 1939 they were living at Hollywood Cottages, Herstmonceux. Ernest was a dairy farmer. Also at the address was wife Annie E Newnham and daughter Dorothy Ivy Valentine Newnham who had been born on 14 February 1929.
Ernest Albert Newnham of Oak Cottage, Gardner Street, Herstmonceux died on 19 December 1949. Probate was granted to Walter Henry Marshall, farmer and Ernest Reginald Post, labourer. His estate was valued at £2,497. 2s. 1d.
Annie Emily Newnham of Oak Cottage, Gardner Street, Herstmonceux died on 26 January 1964 at St Marys Hospital, Eastbourne. Probate was granted to Dorothy Ivy Valentine Hoad, married woman and Ernest Richard Post, motor engineer her estate was valued at £189.
Their daughter Dorothy Ivy Valentine Newnham had married Raymond J Hoad in 1949 (Reg Gen March 1949 Hailsham 5h 379)
- Robert Charles Veness
Thomas and Fanny's son Lance Corporal Robert Charles Veness was killed on 30 June 1916, just two months after his brother. He was a Lance Corporal in the 13th Battalion of the Sussex Regiment. He is commemorated at Loos-en-Gohelle, Departement du Pas-de-Calais, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France, but according to the register of effects he was missing presumed dead. His effects were distributed to his mother.
With Robert's death this means Thomas and Fanny had lost all three of their sons at a young age.
- Beatrice Mary Rollins nee Veness
Thomas and Fanny's daughter Beatrice Mary Veness married Joseph E Rollins in 1921 (Reg Gen September 1821 Hailsham 2b 263).
In 1935 Joseph Ernest and Beatrice Mary Rollins were living at 20 Hunters Grove, Hillingdon.
In 1939 Joseph and Beatrice were living at 26 Westlands Avenue, Wokingham, Surrey.
Joseph Ernest Rollins died in 1979 (Reg Gen Sept 1979 Reading and Wokingham 19 1260)
Beatrice Mary Rollins died in 1981 (Reg Gen March 1981 Reading and Wokingham 19 0484).
- Ivy M Newnham nee Veness
In 1911 Thomas and Fanny's daughter Ivy Veness, aged 13 was a patient at Union Road, Hailsham. Although 13 she gives her occupation as a general domestic servant
Ivy Veness married Arthur John Newnham in 1919 (Reg Gen Dec 1919 Hailsham 2b 203) was the son of Peter Benjamin Newnham and Elizabeth Ann Simmons who married on 10 June 1883 at Herstmonceux. His brother Ernest Albert Newnham had married Ivy's sister Annie Emily Veness (see above).
Ivy M Newnham died in 1941 (Reg Gen March 1941 Eastbourne 2b 188).
Arthur John Newnham of Sunnyside, Gardner Street, Herstmonceux died on 3 November 1978.
Fanny Caroline Catt nee Veness
Fanny Caroline Veness was born in 1868 (Reg Gen March Qtr 1868 Hailsham 2b 74), the daughter of George Veness and Emily Cornford. She was baptised on 5 April 1868 at Herstmonceux.
Fanny married James Catt on 21 March 1891 (Reg Gen March Qtr 1891 Hailsham 2b 144). James Catt was the son of David Catt and Charlotte Billings who married in 1857 (Reg Gen Dec Qtr 1857 Hailsham 2b 97).
In 1891 Fanny Caroline and her husband James were living with her brother Thomas and his wife Philadelphia at Crossways, Herstmonceux.
James and Fanny had six children:
- James Archie Catt. Born 19 February 1894 (Reg Gen March Qtr 1894 Hailsham 2b 97)
- Reginald Catt. Born 1896 (Reg Gen March Qtr 1896 Hailsham 2b 90)
- Ethel Catt. Born 1899 (Reg Gen Dec Qtr 1899 Hailsham 2b 97)
- Wilfred Catt. Born 3 September 1901
- Eva Catt. Born 1907
- Edith Mary Catt. Born 1910.
By 1901 James and Fanny were living at Rocks Cottages, Herstmonceux where 36 year old James was a bricklayer.
In 1911 the family were living at Windmill Hill, Catsfield. James, 46 was still a bricklayer. Their son James, aged 17, was a painter and their son Reginald, aged 15, carter boy.
Fanny Caroline Catt died in 1925 aged 57 years old (Reg Gen September 1925 Hailsham 2b 105).
Nothing more is known about daughters Ethel, Eva or Edith Mary. A little is known about their other children:
- James Archie Catt
It is possible that in February 1913, 19 year old "Archie Catt" sailed to Toronto on the "Tunisian". He had been a painter in the UK, but was going to take up assured factory employment in Toronto.
If this was our relative, then he does not appear to have stayed in Canada, for on 26 July 1918 James Archibald Catt, aged 24 years and 5 months, a roadman and labourer he enlists in the London Electrical Engineers. He gives his address at the time as Victoria Road, Herstmonceux.
James Archie Catt died in 1980 (Reg Gen March Eastbourne 18/0716).
- Reginald Catt
Reginald Catt enlisted in the 13th Battalion of the Royal Sussex Regiment and on 21 October 1916 he was killed in action and was buried at Thiepval, Departement de la Somme, Picardie, France
- Wilfred Catt and Winifred Mary Nicholson
Wilfred Catt married Winifred M Nicholson in 1930 (Reg Gen June 1930 Eastbourne 2b 195).
In 1939 Wilfred and Winifred were living at Curl Leigh, Windmill Hill where Wilfred was a "materials checker".
Wilfred Catt of 2 Meadows View, Stocks Meadow, Ninfield died on 31 May 1983.
Winifred Mary Catt of 2 Stocks Meadow, Ninfield died on 3 February 1994 (Reg Gen Feb 1994 Hastings and Rother A52A 4561A 97)
Mary Kate Veness
Mary Kate Veness was born in 1870 in Herstmonceux (Reg Gen Dec Qtr 1870 Hailsham 2b 67), the daughter of George Veness and Emily Cornford.
In 1891 20 year old Mary Kate was still living with her parents and was employed as a domestic servant.
Mary Kate Veness died of tuberculosis on 15 March 1893 aged 22 at Chapel Row, Herstmonceux (Reg Gen March Qtr 1893 Hailsham 2b 70). Under occupation is written "daughter of George Veness, farm labourer". The informant was George J Veness, her brother who was present at the death. George gives his address as Gardener Street, Herstmonceux.
Alice Annie Catt nee Veness
Alice Annie Veness was baptised on 13 October 1878 at Herstmonceux, the daughter of George Veness and Emily Cornford.
In 1891 18 year old Alice Annie Veness was a general servant to Ann Hoad, a 78 year old widow and her daughter in law, Mary Hoad, aged 42 who lived at Gardeners Street, Herstmonceux. Ann is described as "being supported by her sons".
In 1901 Alice Annie Veness was still unmarried. Employed as a domestic cook she was living with her brother George and his wife Annie at Gardener Street
Alice Annie Veness married George Catt on 26 November 1905 at Herstmonceux Parish Church (Reg Gen Dec Qtr 1905 Hailsham 2b 226). Alice was 32 year old and gives her address as Herstmonceux and her father as George Veness, deceased. George Catt was 36 year old, a labourer from Bodle Street Green. His father was David Catt, labourer. The witnesses were George James Veness and Edith Maud Veness.
￼George Catt was baptised on 10 October 1869 at Bodle Street, the brother of James Catt who married Fanny Caroline Veness (see above). Both were the sons of David Catt and Charlotte Billings who married in 1857 (Reg Gen Dec Qtr 1857 Hailsham 2b 97).
It is believed that George and Alice had four children
- Doris Catt, born 1 June 1906
- Phyliss Catt, born 4 December 1908.
- Albert George Catt, born 3 May 1910
- Margery Catt. Born 18 January 1917
In 1911 George and Alice were living in Rocks Cottage, Bodle Street. 40 year old George was a general labourer. All the children were at home. Son Albert was only 11 months old. Also at the address was Victor Owen, 29 year old general labourer who was boarding with the family.
Alice Annie Catt died on 19 November 1924 at The Rocks, Herstmonceux, Sussex.
In 1939 George Catt was a gardening agricultural labourer living at the Rocks, Herstmonceux where he was a gardening agricultural labourer. Also at the address was his son Albert George Catt, a general labourer, his wife Catherine, their daughter Barbara Norah Ann Catt and Olive Esther King who had been born on 28 January 1915.
George Catt died in 1946 aged 76 years old (Reg Gen September 1946 Hailsaham 5h 200). The photograph below was posted on Ancestry.co.uk by Helensrock.
- Doris Dann nee Catt
Doris Catt married Frederick George Dann in 1937 (Reg Gen June 1937 Hailsham 2b 235).
They had a daughter Christine Alice Dann who was born in 1939.
Doris Dann died in 1985 aged 76 years old (Reg Gen May 1985 Eastbourne 18 561).
Frederick George Dann died in 1986 aged 78 years old (Reg Gen June 1986 Eastbourne 18 475).
Christine Dann married Alan P Field in 1959 (Reg Gen March 1959 Hailsham 5h 483).
- Phyliss Akehurst nee Catt
When the 1939 Register was taken Phyliss Catt was a parlour maid working for Edgar H Hill and his family at Haytor, St Annes Road, Eastbourne. Later that year she married William George Akehurst (Reg Gen December 1939 Eastbourne 2b 322).
William George Akehurst of 2, Sussex Court, St Phillips Avenue, Eastbourne died on 26 July 1969.
Phyliss Akehurst died in 1976 in Eastbourne.
- Albert George Catt and Catherine Ada Selina Pauling
Albert George Catt married Catherine Ada Selina Pauling in 1936 in Southwark.
They had six children:
- Barbara Norah Ann Catt. Born 3 October 1937 at Hailsham. Barbara married Gordon George Wenham on 21 June 1958 in Battle. She died on 21 June 1994 in Hastings. Gordon died on 7 June 2007.
- Bernard G Catt, Born 1942
- Beryl M Catt. Born 1943
- Barry P Catt. Born 1950
- Robert Catt, Born 1953
- Richard Catt. Born 1953
In 1939, Albert George Catt, a general labourer, his wife Catherine, their daughter Barbara Norah Ann Catt living at the Rocks, Victoria Road, Herstmonceux where he was a gardening agricultural labourer. Also at the address was his father George Catt (see above) and Olive Esther King who had been born on 28 January 1915.
Albert George Catt died in October 1992. Catherine Ada Selina Catt died in February 2004.
- Margery Colbran nee Catt
Margery Catt married James Ernest Colbran on 21 April 1945 at Herstmonceux.
James Ernest Colbran of 6 Grovelands Road, Hailsham died on 8 January 1987.
Margery Colbran of 6 Grovelands Road, Hailsham died on 6 May 1987.
Alfred John Veness and Alice Stevens
Alfred John Veness was baptised on 27 June 1875 at Herstmonceux, son of George Veness and Emily Cornford (Reg Gen June Qtr 1875 Hailsham 2b 77).
In 1891 Alfred John Veness was a 15 old agricultural labourer living with his parents at Chapel Row.
Alfred John Veness married Alice Stevens in 1899 (Reg Gen Dec 1899 Hailsham 2b 231)
In 1901 25 year old Alfred J Veness, a bricklayer was living with his wife 23 year old Alice Veness at Rocks Cottages, Herstmonceux. Also at the same address was sister in law Amy Stevens, Alice's sister.
In 1911 the family were living at Chapel Row, Herstmonceux where 35 year old Alfred was a bricklayer. They had two children
- Mabel Elsie Veness. Born 14 April 1901 in Herstmonceux
- Alfred Henry Veness. Born 1904 in Herstmonceux.
Alfred Henry Veness died in 1916 aged 12 years old. He was buried at All Saints, Herstmonceux.
Alice Veness died on 2 September 1934 and was buried at All Saints, Herstmonceux.
In 1939 Alfred John Veness was living with Georgina F Wallis and her family at 2 Bucklands Terrace, London Road, Hailsham. He was described as a widower and was employed as a bricklayer.
Alfred remarried in 1940. His second wife was Edith Julia Martin.
Alfred John Veness of 2 Bucklands Terrace, Leap Cross, Hailsham died on 11 November 1962 at St Marys Hospital, Eastbourne. Probate to Gordon Edward Martin, retired builder.
Edith Julia Veness of 199 London Road, Hailsham died on 17 November 1974.
- Mabel Elsie Bryant nee Veness
Mabel Elsie Veness married William Alfred Bryant in 1929 (Reg Gen June Qtr 1929 Hailsham 2b 236).
In 1939 William and Mabel were living at 1 Vine Cottage, Chapel Row, Herstmonceux where William was a baker roundsman.
Mabel Elsie Bryant of Chapel Row, Herstmonceux (wife of William Alfred Bryant) died 31 October 1941 at the Princess Alice Memorial Hospital, Eastbourne. Administration was granted to said William Alfred Bryant, bakers roundsman.
William Alfred Bryant died in 1971 in Torbay, Devon.
Henry Charles Veness and Ellen Jane Luck
Henry Charles Veness was born in 1876 (Reg Gen Dec Qtr 1876 Hailsham 2b 77) and was baptised on 3 December 1876, son of George Veness and Emily Cornford at Herstmonceux.
In 1891, 14 year old 'Charles' an agricultural labourer was living with his parents, George and Emily at Chapel Row.
In 1901 a Charles Veness, a 23 year old painter, was boarding with Frederick and Elizabeth Allum at Gardner Street.￼
Henry Charles Veness married Ellen Jane Luck on 9 November 1907 at the Registry Office, Hastings. Henry was a 30 year old house painter (journeyman) living at The Rocks, Herstmonceux. Ellen Jane Luck was a 28 year old domestic servant living at "Boscobel", Boscobel Road, St Leonard's-on- Sea. Her father was James Luck, master wheelwright. The witnesses were Alice Catt and Alfred Veness, Henry Charles Veness' siblings.
In 1911 "Charles" and Ellen were living at Windmill Hill, Sussex where 34 year old "Charles" was a house painter. They had no children at that time.
On 23 November 1915 Henry Charles Veness, a 39 year old labourer enlisted in the 2nd 5th North Yorks Regiment in the 1st World War.
In 1939 "Charles H Veness" and Ellen were living at Gardener Street, Herstmonceux and he was a house painter.
Henry Charles Veness died in 1956 at the age of 79 years .
Ellen Jane Veness died in 1968 in Eastbourne.
Edith Maud Elphick nee Veness
Edith Maud Veness was born in 1878, the daughter of George Veness and Emily Cornford. She was baptised on 13 October 1878 at Herstmonceux
In 1891, 12 year old Eda was a scholar living with her parents at Chapel Row.
In 1901, Edith was a parlour maid living with Charles B Ingram, head of a boarding school, his wife and family as well as numerous other members of the teaching staff, pupil and fellow servants.
On 26 November 1905 Edith Maud Veness married Arthur Elphick at Herstmonceux. Edith, aged 27 was resident in Herstmonceux and gives no occupation. Arthur Elphick was a 28 year old labourer from Hooe was the son of Frederick Elphick, labourer. The witnesses were George James Veness and Alice Catt, Edith's siblings.
In 1911 Arthur and Edith were living at Holme's Cottages, Ninfield, where 33 year old Arthur was a farm labourer. They had no children.
In 1939 Arthur and Edith were living at 2 Pains Farm Cottages, where Arthur was a "trug basket maker" . To read more about the Sussex Trug Industry go to www.sussextrugs.com